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Abomination!

I am so glad I'm done with the double-dose Tenormin. Sleeping 12+ hours a day and still being sleepy really sucks. Two days and counting.

ResLife really fucked up this time: they updated the list, but didn't acknowledge that I had submitted a housing agreement in November. I sent them a starchy e-mail, but I'm not expecting a response any time soon. Dumb bastards.

Concert was very good. Mum and I had fun, even though she was on a college kick. I just ignored it, wisely, and she let it go. She's such a stereotypical bully.

And yes, I did post fic last night, I'm just too braindead to do the code to post them here and all the other places they need to go. I'll do it tomorrow. You can go over to the writing journal if you want to see it beforehand.

Oh, and this is yesterday's news, but Conservative Judaism has decided that same-sex marriages are ok, at the individual rabbi's perogative, of course. They're also going to start ordaining gay/lesbian rabbis. Of course, it's more complicated, but that's the gist of it. Article is here, but

Conservative Rabbis Allow Ordained Gays, Same-Sex Unions

By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 7, 2006; Page A17

NEW YORK, Dec. 6 -- A panel of rabbis gave permission Wednesday for same-sex commitment ceremonies and ordination of gays within Conservative Judaism, a wrenching change for a movement that occupies the middle ground between orthodoxy and liberalism in Judaism.

The complicated decision by the Conservatives Movement's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards leaves it up to individual seminaries whether to ordain gay rabbis and gives individual rabbis the option of sanctioning same-sex unions. Reform Judaism, the largest branch of the faith in the United States, has ordained openly gay men and lesbians since 1990 and has allowed its rabbis to perform same-sex commitment ceremonies since 2000. Orthodox Judaism does not countenance same-sex relationships or the ordination of gay rabbis.

Like many Protestant denominations, Conservative Jews are divided over homosexuality: torn between the Hebrew scriptures' condemnation of it as an "abomination" and a desire to encourage same-sex couples to form long-lasting, monogamous relationships.

Though stopping short of endorsing same-sex marriage, the rabbis wanted to allow commitment ceremonies "because in Jewish sexual ethics, promiscuity is not acceptable either by heterosexuals or by homosexuals, and we do in fact have both a Jewish and a social and a medical need to try to confirm those unions," said Rabbi Elliot Dorff of Los Angeles, one of the authors of the change.

After years of discussion and two days of intense debate behind closed doors at a synagogue on Park Avenue, the law committee accepted three teshuvot, or answers, to the question of whether Jewish law allows homosexual sex. Two answers uphold the status quo, forbidding homosexuality.

But a third answer allows same-sex ceremonies and ordination of gay men and lesbians, while maintaining a ban on anal sex. It argues that the verse in Leviticus saying "a man shall not lie with a man as with a woman" is unclear, but traditionally was understood to bar only one kind of sex between men. All other prohibitions were "added later on by the rabbis," Dorff told reporters.

Four of the law committee's 25 members resigned in protest of the decision.

It takes the votes of just six panel members to declare an answer to be valid -- meaning that it is a well-founded interpretation of Jewish law, not that it is the only legitimate position. Thirteen members voted in favor of allowing gay ordination and same-sex ceremonies, and 13 voted against -- meaning that at least one rabbi voted for both positions.

Rabbi Joel Meyers, executive vice president of the Rabbinical Assembly, an association of 1,600 Conservative rabbis, predicted that some rabbis will choose not to preside at same-sex ceremonies, and he said no rabbi would be required to perform them.

There are five seminaries that ordain Conservative rabbis. One of them, the University of Judaism in Los Angeles, is expected to begin ordaining gays in the near future. The movement's flagship seminary, the Jewish Theological Seminary in New York City, is likely to take more time. Its new chancellor, Arnold Eisen, has said he favors the change but will allow the faculty to debate the question, starting as soon as Thursday.

The other seminaries -- in Israel, Argentina and the Czech Republic -- are more traditional and may adopt the change slowly, if at all.

The issue has been particularly difficult for the Conservative movement, which claims about 2 million members worldwide, because it does not lightly depart from traditional Jewish law, or halakha. Conservative Jews generally keep the kosher dietary rules and observe the Sabbath, though perhaps not as strictly as Orthodox Jews do.

Since the mid-1980s, however, the Conservative movement has departed from traditional law in several ways, including ordaining women, permitting Jews to drive to synagogue on the Sabbath, and eliminating special treatment of "illegitimate" children.

Some Conservative Jews argue that the reconsideration of homosexuality is no more significant, in terms of Jewish law, than these other changes. But Rabbi Joel Roth, a professor at the Jewish Theological Seminary who was among those who resigned from the law committee, said he considers the change to be "outside the pale of acceptable halakhic reasoning."

Rabbi Jerry Epstein, chief executive of the association of 700 Conservative synagogues in North America, said he did not know whether any of them would leave the movement in protest. He said he believes that they are about evenly divided for and against allowing same-sex ceremonies.

As the Conservative rabbis met in New York this week, they were conscious that they were not only deciding an important matter for their constituency but were also contributing to a national debate on the status of same-sex couples. Dorff said he hoped that the adoption of two optional, conflicting positions would serve as a model for other religious groups of how to handle deep disagreements, "so movements don't have to split up over these kinds of things."

Am also amused by this related post on metaquotes:

So gay guys can have all the boy-on-boy blowjobs they want to, and if I'm not mistaken, rimming and fisting are A-OK as well. But anal sex is a no-no. Well, you know, that does have its own interior logic. Sorta. (Lesbians, as usual, are ignored. I can picture the conversation the panel had: "Hey. Psssst.. Do you know what lesbians do in bed?" "...No. How about you? Do you know?" "No clue. Anyone?" ::silence falls:: "Well, you know, Leviticus doesn't say anything about women lying with women anyway... so... uh... okay!") ~ slammerkinbabe

So very true. No one has a clue what to do with lesbians. Alright, done now.

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magnetic_pole
Dec. 9th, 2006 04:57 am (UTC)
So very true. No one has a clue what to do with lesbians.

So true, hm?

Hey, sweetie, I'm following your medical woes (even though I've been bad about commenting) and hoping for the best for you. Maggie
melayneseahawk
Dec. 9th, 2006 04:59 am (UTC)
I am always amused when people I don't know in RL comment on stuff like that.

Really appreciate the thought, though.
triannamaxwell
Dec. 9th, 2006 04:56 pm (UTC)
I can't seem to find if you said which hospital, but you might be able to see my dad if you're at Holy Cross. He's in for either 2 more days or 7. So I could always try to shoo my mom your way for a hello if you don't want other mothering.
melayneseahawk
Dec. 9th, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
No, I'm going to be at Washington Hospital Center.

What's your dad doing in the hospital?
triannamaxwell
Dec. 9th, 2006 09:48 pm (UTC)
Blood clot -- he's being treated over the next 2 days or 7 days. Apparently not released any time in between.
melayneseahawk
Dec. 9th, 2006 09:49 pm (UTC)
Bleh. Wish him luck for me.
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